Curse

slowerpoke · Apr 16, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

slow news day eh

Buster · Apr 16, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Highly doubt this has anything to do with Guild Wars. This business model fits for free to download free to play games such as Exteel. Guild Wars has a completely different business model.

You can't see me · Apr 16, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

hi

hairstyle?

town clothes?

small plastic surgery?

earing"

a ton of non game breaking things people have been begging for.

GOTY WEAPONS IS MICRO TRANSACTION

BMP AS WELL

these are test runs for GW2 and already work.

can be fun things without being maplestory overpowered.

custom dye job you choose exact color? 4.88/9.88?

hairstyle 4.99 or 3 for 9.99? or what the mass market will accept.

let them as they will keep my fee free monthly servers running.

State your source that Guild Wars 2 will have any of the above available for RM or get off the conspiracy wagon. We don't need more nutjob theories spread around for people to sink their teeth into.

The BMP isn't an ingame booster. BMP weapons give you no advancement in the game over anyone else. You cannot trade or sell them. You must perform equal work to obtain them as you would for any cheap gold weapon with the same stats. You pay for content in the BMP, not the weapons, and paying for content is nothing new.

As for your fee free servers, I think Arenanet has done a good job running them so far, and I have no doubt they will keep them running for Guild Wars 2 without all these things.

In conclusion, unless Arenanet's head was recently changed to a goldfish that was recovering from a lobotomy, this is purely a common sense issue. It amazes me how many people can't grasp it.

Crom The Pale · Apr 17, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Most of us have seen this coming for quite some time, it was even suggested in a post almost 2 years ago if I recall correctly.

Anet(NCsoft) has basically 2 options to keep servers up and running, charge a monthly fee or find new means of earning an income from the games.

Chances are it won't be implimented in GW, but will most certainly be in GW2 to some extent. If they have learned anything from GW they will set up the game so that money has 0 effect on actual game play but only on the astetic apeal of your avatar. Even at that it will likely just be a time saver allowing people faster access to item that can be aquired through gameplay(grinding/farming).

Malice Black · Apr 17, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Oh well.

WTB armbraces 5 dolla!

Lord Feathers · Apr 17, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Well NC Soft is the Big Dog. So what exactly does this mean for it's puppies remains to be seen but very very very very bad move on their part. Anyone else like to get a comment from the community relations folks ? I for one would like to hear something.

Guild Wars proved it's business model works and they didn't charge you to pay to play. They have stated that GW2 will also be free but they have not stated anything else besides that and if someone else controls their policy * throws hands up in the air *

slaximus · Apr 17, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31

"We will, however, work to have NCcoin incorporated in as many of our games as possible."
Meaning, they will most likely force it into the games.

We shall see how GW2 fends this off.

Loviatar · Apr 17, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Feathers

Guild Wars proved it's business model works and they didn't charge you to pay to play. They have stated that GW2 will also be free but they have not stated anything else besides that and if someone else controls their policy * throws hands up in the air *

the GW business model was a huge fresh cash infusion every 6 months with a new chapter of equal cost of the original game.

see chapters in gw2?

see all the people on GW1 who want to pay for a new hairstyle?

add it up

tons of pay for cosmetic options having zero effect on gameplay or those who are happy with the character they have.

Toxage · Apr 17, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

Except it's not an arguement, it's a fact.

Even if I didn't know this, common sense would still have led me to the same conclusion.

You must have a microscopic vocabulary to misuse the word fact.

Fact - Noun - A real occurrence; an event; Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed

This does not fall under the realm of fact because it hasn't happened yet.

I find it interesting that because you came to the conclusion this won't be implemented why won't be implemented?

Are you some higher being that can control what is and what isn't?

Your argument is a failure. You have no evidence to support your claims.

I found a guide to help you avoid random and thoughtless arguments in the future.

http://www.wikihow.com/Argue

Might want to read it over 10-15 times to allow it to sink in.

Let's be honest Guild Wars can't keep pumping out a new expansion every six months to generate revenue. That is an unrealistic goal. Just look at how half-butt Nightfall and Eye Of the North were. You can't produce well polished content that quickly. Arena Net is most likely going to adapt a pay option for enhanced features that have little effect on gameplay. I.E New Skins (Cough Bonus Mission Pack Cough), New Armors , More Customization Options, Etc.

And with that I say GOOD DAY SIR!

Ravi · Apr 17, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

Let's be honest Guild Wars can't keep pumping out a new expansion every six months to generate revenue. That is an unrealistic goal. Just look at how half-butt Nightfall and Eye Of the North were. You can't produce well polished content that quickly. Arena Net is most likely going to adapt a pay option for enhanced features that have little effect on gameplay. I.E New Skins (Cough Bonus Mission Pack Cough), New Armors , More Customization Options, Etc.

And with that I say GOOD DAY SIR!

it doesnt really matter if they start using nccoin or not, they already sell us stuff through the online store, do you see 5$ for 500k platinum? no right? if they would ever do that, they would be doing it already, they have the means to do it, they just wont.

this sir, is were jr's logic is coming from, he just thought you were smart enough to notice.

wilderness · Apr 17, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

You must have a microscopic vocabulary to misuse the word fact.

Or perhaps he paid attention to this: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

Let's be honest Guild Wars can't keep pumping out a new expansion every six months to generate revenue. That is an unrealistic goal. Just look at how half-butt Nightfall and Eye Of the North were. You can't produce well polished content that quickly. Arena Net is most likely going to adapt a pay option for enhanced features that have little effect on gameplay. I.E New Skins (Cough Bonus Mission Pack Cough), New Armors , More Customization Options, Etc.

Also, as you clearly haven't paid attention to the thread, I'll lay it down here for you one more time:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCsoft from the official NCcoin page

“NCcoin will not be retrofitted in games that have business models that do not work with a micro-transaction system.

Mork from Ork · Apr 17, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

(Cough Bonus Mission Pack Cough)

Bingo - first thing I thought of when I read the article.

New extra-story missions and you choose which ones you want to play and pay ingame accordingly.

Not sure I like the idea but they have to come up with someway to generate cash.

You can't see me · Apr 17, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

the GW business model was a huge fresh cash infusion every 6 months with a new chapter of equal cost of the original game.

see chapters in gw2?

see all the people on GW1 who want to pay for a new hairstyle?

add it up

tons of pay for cosmetic options having zero effect on gameplay or those who are happy with the character they have.

Guild Wars 2 will not have RM available cosmetics for the same reason that the Us Federal Government does not allow sale of illegal drugs. This is because they see the effects and are not idiots.

I'm sorry, but no matter how much hype is on this idea, it doesn't set it in stone, especially from A developer's point of view. The people are always ignorant of the effects of what they ask for, which is why government officials and game developers don't give them everything they want.

Can you show me the business model for Guild Wars 2? No, you cannot.
Can you deny the quote happily placed on the pervious page where this is denied by Arenanet? No, you cannot.
Can you state reliable sources for any of this so called fact? No, you cannot.

Propaganda is a word entirely different from fact. Stop confusing them.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propaganda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

You must have a microscopic vocabulary to misuse the word fact.

Fact - Noun - A real occurrence; an event; Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed

This does not fall under the realm of fact because it hasn't happened yet.

I find it interesting that because you came to the conclusion this won't be implemented why won't be implemented?

Are you some higher being that can control what is and what isn't?

Your argument is a failure. You have no evidence to support your claims.

I found a guide to help you avoid random and thoughtless arguments in the future.

http://www.wikihow.com/Argue

Might want to read it over 10-15 times to allow it to sink in.

Let's be honest Guild Wars can't keep pumping out a new expansion every six months to generate revenue. That is an unrealistic goal. Just look at how half-butt Nightfall and Eye Of the North were. You can't produce well polished content that quickly. Arena Net is most likely going to adapt a pay option for enhanced features that have little effect on gameplay. I.E New Skins (Cough Bonus Mission Pack Cough), New Armors , More Customization Options, Etc.

And with that I say GOOD DAY SIR!

Here is the dictionary definition of the word propaganda. Do not confuse it with the word argument.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propaganda

(I get to Ctrl-V this in two places in the same post).

And yes, actually, it has happened. I'll let you in on the secret from the previous page.

Originally Posted by PCGamer Issue 161 Volume 14 Number 5
"For three years, people have been looking for a catch," says Jeff Strain. "There's no catch." Guild Wars 2 will employ the same model as the current Guild Wars game: You buy the boxed game and play the game online as often as you wish, without monthly fees. That's it.

So...what's the catch? Should we expect micro transactions, where players will have to pay for superior in game items? No.

Should we expect any sort of pay-to-play scheme at all? No.

Will there be any, even remote changes--any changes of any sort--to the current Guild Wars business model? No, no, and no, says Mike O'Brien.

Case closed. GTFO.

Naylyn · Apr 17, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxage

You must have a microscopic vocabulary to misuse the word fact.

Fact - Noun - A real occurrence; an event; Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed

This does not fall under the realm of fact because it hasn't happened yet.

I find it interesting that because you came to the conclusion this won't be implemented why won't be implemented?

Are you some higher being that can control what is and what isn't?

Your argument is a failure. You have no evidence to support your claims.

I found a guide to help you avoid random and thoughtless arguments in the future.

http://www.wikihow.com/Argue

Might want to read it over 10-15 times to allow it to sink in.

Let's be honest Guild Wars can't keep pumping out a new expansion every six months to generate revenue. That is an unrealistic goal. Just look at how half-butt Nightfall and Eye Of the North were. You can't produce well polished content that quickly. Arena Net is most likely going to adapt a pay option for enhanced features that have little effect on gameplay. I.E New Skins (Cough Bonus Mission Pack Cough), New Armors , More Customization Options, Etc.

And with that I say GOOD DAY SIR!

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetsparks

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCGamer Issue 161 Volume 14 Number 5

"For three years, people have been looking for a catch," says Jeff Strain. "There's no catch." Guild Wars 2 will employ the same model as the current Guild Wars game: You buy the boxed game and play the game online as often as you wish, without monthly fees. That's it.

So...what's the catch? Should we expect micro transactions, where players will have to pay for superior in game items? No.

Should we expect any sort of pay-to-play scheme at all? No.

Will there be any, even remote changes--any changes of any sort--to the current Guild Wars business model? No, no, and no, says Mike O'Brien.

"In Guild Wars 1, the business model was: Buy the game and play it as long as you want with no monthly fees; we'll periodically sell additional content that you can choose to buy or not to buy, and we'll maintain the game so that anyone who plays it ends up getting the free updates. In Guild Wars 2, the business model is exactly the same, Buy the game and play it as long as you want with no monthly fees; we will periodically sell additional content that you can choose to buy or not buy, and and we'll constantly maintain the game so that anyone who plays it ends up getting lots of free updates."

How will ArenaNet's no-subscription model offset the costs associated with supporting a persistent world? "We have technology that lets us reduce the costs," Stain says, though he won't elaborate on the ingredients of that secret sauce. "Guild Wars was built from the ground up to be non-subscription. A persistent world doesn't alter that much," he says....

Now don't you look silly.

It isn't going to happen, stop freaking out people.

wetsparks · Apr 17, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46

I'm glad to see someone listened to common sense, thank you You Can't See Me, Naylyn and Wilderness.

Reaper of Phear · Apr 17, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Zydonis

That would explain why they want to stomp out trading for real money.

Well, if they really bring this NCrap stuff GW, then they have no need to worry about killing gold sites now since this would effectively kill all unofficial game-money transactions. There would be no reason to get your gold from a 3rd party then, cause no matter what, as a seller u would either break even, or take a loss, and even then, do peeps really want to go through the trouble of getting stuff through a 3rd party if they can get the same thing in game? Basically, there is no incentive for peeps to sell illegally, or for people to buy from them either.

1 up and 2 down · Apr 17, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Actually, I think you missed the subtle "hint" in the following phrase...

"NCcoin does fit perfect for some of the free-to-play and download games we are developing, and gives players choice on how they want to play these games.”

I wonder whether GW2 will be considered either a free-to-play or a download game that they're referring to...

NCsoft doesn't develop Guild Wars, Anet does. Ncsoft only owns Anet.

Bluefeather · Apr 17, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Personally, I am very much excited about this NCCoin.

I am a full-time office worker and I don't have much time like the hardcore players to play this game. But being a video player since I can remember, I still want to have the best things in the game and as much as possible to complete 100% the content of the game. But that is no longer possible for me now. So, if they are offering options like this one, I will be very glad to avail of such option(s).

Probably, NCSoft should also give the players a chance to earn this NCCoin through other means (like if you sell items to NPC, you will earn some points, etc.).

Ofc this is my personal opinion only and I do not wish to argue with anyone else.

Sorn Xarann · Apr 17, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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alundro · Apr 17, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

I don't mind honest complaints, but this...? WTF?

1.) The article makes no mention that GW2 will use NCcoin. Why the hell are there complaints?

2.) Online currency like NCcoin is for "middleman" purposes. It will allow NCsoft to sell "game cards" at certain stores for people without credit cards. There was a huge thread of people complaining about the bonus mission pack and how they couldn't even be eligible for it because they didn't have a credit card to buy from the GW shop. Why the hell are there complaints?

3.) Guild Wars has had a cash shop for over a year now. Why the hell are there complaints?